Comments on: What Could You Do With Allodial Title?

By: Dawn

Dawn — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:19:20 +0000

Concerning Allodial Property title in the State of Florida. I would like to know if there are any readers who have done this, how much it cost, what kind of obstacles were overcome to achieve this status, and does it hold up against local, state & federal jurisdictions ? We have an opportunity to do this with our property but the information is a bit conflicting, Can anyone clarify?
I do understand that this was the original way of property ownership in the US many years ago until the governement found they could not make any money this way.
Please respond.

By: Orville Seymer

Orville Seymer — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 22:20:33 +0000

I should mention that “Allodial Title” is much more than the ability to be exempt from property taxes. In Wisconsin, while we do have the clause in our Constitution that says, “All land within the state is declared to be Allodial and feudal tenures are prohibited” we also have a clause in the Constitution that allows the state to tax your property.

What “Allodial Title” means in my mind, is the state does not the right to regulate your private property. So in other words, all of the Zoning laws and other restrictions on your property are unconstitutional. Of course you would have to convince numerous Judges of this, which would be very difficult if not almost impossible and it would take bundles of money to pay the Attorneys.

What is really sad, is very few if any law schools teach this concept.

If you want to have a little fun with any friends who are Attorneys or historians, give them this little quiz.

1. Who was the 1st President of the united States? Most people will look at you a little funny and then answer George Washington. That would be the wrong answer. While it is a bit of a trick question, the 1st President of the united States was a guy named Samual Huntington. Remember the Articles of Confederation. They existed for 10 years prior to our current Constitution. Our Presidents served for terms of 1 year under the Articles.
2. What Federal Document started the Revolutionary War? Don’t over think this question, it is really simple.

The answer is of course, the “Declaration of Independence”

3. Now it gets a little more difficult. What Federal document ended the Revolutionary War? I will give you a little hint on this one. The signing of this document did not occur in this country.

Give up?

The “Treaty of Paris” ended the Revolutionary War.

4. Now comes the really difficult question.

What specific rights did the “Treaty of Paris” give us?

Any guesses?

“The Treaty of Paris” gave us “Allodial Property Rights” You will not find it specifically enumerated in the treaty but if you talk to historians and other Constitutional scholars, they will tell you that that was the purpose of the treaty and and in part the Revolution. Remember, our Founding Fathers wanted government to do 2 things.

1. Protect your private property
2. Secure your individual liberties.

Tommorrow’s lesson will be….

By: Mike

Mike — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:52:48 +0000

As interesting as I find this topic, I tend to think it’s rather a dead end.

Suppose for example that the government of Florida one day up and declared that allodial title could be purchased, perhaps by some fraudulent “pay all your future taxes now” arrangement like that described for Nevada in the Wikipedia article. So, you pays your taxes and the state gives you a document saying you now have allodial title to your land.

But wait… the state granted it? What the state granteth, surely the state can take away… and where does the state get the authority to issue title to land anyway?

If we’re to acquire just and legitimate freehold, it’ll have to be done some other way. Some way that doesn’t involve states. Unless I’m missing something essential here.