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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s Not Voluntary, and It&#8217;s Not a Contract</title>
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		<title>By: Sovereign Man</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2008/07/21/its-not-voluntary-and-its-not-a-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-9572</link>
		<dc:creator>Sovereign Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Citizenship is voluntary and must be done with full knowledge and intent.   
 
One can not be born in any state, as a state is only an artificial claim to jurisdiction.   
One has no memory of birth nor any knowledge of circumstances surrounding it. (i.e.  Birth Certificate) 
One has only the authority of man and any proclaimed authority greater then the one is fictional.   
 
A name is an artificial designation given to property by the owner thereof.   
Do you have any owner? 
Have you been using a name? (registered freely at ones supposed birth and given to the government freely and willingly by uninformed parents) 
 
Using someone else&#039;s property without consent is trespass. 
Did you ask for consent to use said property. (i.e. Name) 
Do you continue to use said property?  Why? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizenship is voluntary and must be done with full knowledge and intent.   </p>
<p>One can not be born in any state, as a state is only an artificial claim to jurisdiction.<br />
One has no memory of birth nor any knowledge of circumstances surrounding it. (i.e.  Birth Certificate)<br />
One has only the authority of man and any proclaimed authority greater then the one is fictional.   </p>
<p>A name is an artificial designation given to property by the owner thereof.<br />
Do you have any owner?<br />
Have you been using a name? (registered freely at ones supposed birth and given to the government freely and willingly by uninformed parents) </p>
<p>Using someone else&#039;s property without consent is trespass.<br />
Did you ask for consent to use said property. (i.e. Name)<br />
Do you continue to use said property?  Why?</p>
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		<title>By: nothirdsolution</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2008/07/21/its-not-voluntary-and-its-not-a-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-9405</link>
		<dc:creator>nothirdsolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; 
the government owns every single inch of land in the USA. They enforce their domination of the land by force. If you don&#8217;t think that this fact of life is &#8220;fair&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221;, tough; they have men with Darth Vader outfits and M4s standing by. Not much you can do about that. 
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That&#039;s a charmingly defeatist attitude. 
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You are half correct though, governments take a lot from us, but it is all done by consent. 
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It&#039;s not consent because A) most people were never given a &quot;choice&quot; and B) even if they were, the decision was made under duress (i.e., threat of violence). 
 
Go troll somewhere else. </description>
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the government owns every single inch of land in the USA. They enforce their domination of the land by force. If you don&rsquo;t think that this fact of life is &ldquo;fair&rdquo; or &ldquo;right&rdquo;, tough; they have men with Darth Vader outfits and M4s standing by. Not much you can do about that.
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<p>That&#039;s a charmingly defeatist attitude. </p>
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You are half correct though, governments take a lot from us, but it is all done by consent.
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<p>It&#039;s not consent because A) most people were never given a &quot;choice&quot; and B) even if they were, the decision was made under duress (i.e., threat of violence). </p>
<p>Go troll somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: nothirdsolution</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2008/07/21/its-not-voluntary-and-its-not-a-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-9404</link>
		<dc:creator>nothirdsolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; 
But you will not be liable for the income tax if you don&#8217;t have a taxpayer identification number (SSN) 
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Wrong. You &lt;em&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; renounce an SSN.  I&#039;ve inquired. 
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The fact that you (probably) have a birth certificate, 
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Is merely evidence of when and where I was born (and to whom). 
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The Amish do, and so can you. 
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The amish do &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; live outside of the vast majority of these &quot;contracts&quot;.  
 
Do your homework. </description>
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But you will not be liable for the income tax if you don&rsquo;t have a taxpayer identification number (SSN)
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<p>Wrong. You <em>can&#039;t</em> renounce an SSN.  I&#039;ve inquired. </p>
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The fact that you (probably) have a birth certificate,
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<p>Is merely evidence of when and where I was born (and to whom). </p>
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The Amish do, and so can you.
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<p>The amish do <em>not</em> live outside of the vast majority of these &quot;contracts&quot;.  </p>
<p>Do your homework.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2008/07/21/its-not-voluntary-and-its-not-a-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-9402</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#8220;csun&#8221; is spot on about how the property tax is prima fascia evidence that the government owns every single inch of land in the USA. They enforce their domination of the land by force. If you don&#8217;t think that this fact of life is &#8220;fair&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221;, tough; they have men with Darth Vader outfits and M4s standing by. Not much you can do about that.  
 
You are half correct though, governments take a lot from us, but it is all done by consent. Income tax is voluntary, you agree to it by getting a SSN and earning wages in the form of Federal Reserve notes. Trade your labor for property. Fed notes are not property; they are an obligation of the Federal Reserve. It is like going to Disney Land, buying Disney dollars and then complaining about the terms, conditions and restrictions of their currency. While it will prove to be more difficult to buy stuff at Disney Land with gold and silver, you will not be required to play by Disney Land&#8217;s rules. When you use their dollars you consent to their rules; the reason you consent is for the convenience their currency provides you. You can either have convenience or freedom, take your pick. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&ldquo;csun&rdquo; is spot on about how the property tax is prima fascia evidence that the government owns every single inch of land in the USA. They enforce their domination of the land by force. If you don&rsquo;t think that this fact of life is &ldquo;fair&rdquo; or &ldquo;right&rdquo;, tough; they have men with Darth Vader outfits and M4s standing by. Not much you can do about that.  </p>
<p>You are half correct though, governments take a lot from us, but it is all done by consent. Income tax is voluntary, you agree to it by getting a SSN and earning wages in the form of Federal Reserve notes. Trade your labor for property. Fed notes are not property; they are an obligation of the Federal Reserve. It is like going to Disney Land, buying Disney dollars and then complaining about the terms, conditions and restrictions of their currency. While it will prove to be more difficult to buy stuff at Disney Land with gold and silver, you will not be required to play by Disney Land&rsquo;s rules. When you use their dollars you consent to their rules; the reason you consent is for the convenience their currency provides you. You can either have convenience or freedom, take your pick.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2008/07/21/its-not-voluntary-and-its-not-a-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-9401</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a contract. You signed up for this contract when you became a citizen. Don&#8217;t remember doing that? Your parents must have done it for you then. Feel free to renounce your citizenship and become a denizen. You won&#8217;t be able to do a number of things a citizen can do: vote, get a social security number, get a regular job, etc. But you will not be liable for the income tax if you don&#8217;t have a taxpayer identification number (SSN) and you buy, sell and trade with anything besides Federal Reserve notes (gold and silver maybe). The fact that you (probably) have a birth certificate, citizenship, a SSN, and numerous other licenses prove that you have agreed to abide by all the rules and regulations of these contracts. If you don&#8217;t agree with the rules set forth by these various contracts then why don&#8217;t you renounce them and live your life without them. The Amish do, and so can you.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a contract. You signed up for this contract when you became a citizen. Don&rsquo;t remember doing that? Your parents must have done it for you then. Feel free to renounce your citizenship and become a denizen. You won&rsquo;t be able to do a number of things a citizen can do: vote, get a social security number, get a regular job, etc. But you will not be liable for the income tax if you don&rsquo;t have a taxpayer identification number (SSN) and you buy, sell and trade with anything besides Federal Reserve notes (gold and silver maybe). The fact that you (probably) have a birth certificate, citizenship, a SSN, and numerous other licenses prove that you have agreed to abide by all the rules and regulations of these contracts. If you don&rsquo;t agree with the rules set forth by these various contracts then why don&rsquo;t you renounce them and live your life without them. The Amish do, and so can you.</p>
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		<title>By: firstorb</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2008/07/21/its-not-voluntary-and-its-not-a-contract/comment-page-1/#comment-5340</link>
		<dc:creator>firstorb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>although i do believe that our countrys government is somewhat of a joke where actors and wrestlers can become government officials (not to mention t19 and social security is a joke). i will not pretend to be educated enough to be able to side either way on your argument. but i will say you do make some strong points. kudos to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>although i do believe that our countrys government is somewhat of a joke where actors and wrestlers can become government officials (not to mention t19 and social security is a joke). i will not pretend to be educated enough to be able to side either way on your argument. but i will say you do make some strong points. kudos to you.</p>
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