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		<title>By: nothirdsolution</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2009/03/09/considering-redistribution-of-property/comment-page-1/#comment-6645</link>
		<dc:creator>nothirdsolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles - thanks much for the clarification.  I may have cast too wide a net with the &quot;mutualists and uber-LLs&quot;, my apologies :) 
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To take an example, as I understand it, Carson&#039;s view (for example) is that vastly more productive assets would be owned individually in a free society than are today, 
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That&#039;s the understanding I have of Carson&#039;s POV, and it&#039;s an argument with which I&#039;m inclined to agree.  
 
Thanks again for stopping by! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles &#8211; thanks much for the clarification.  I may have cast too wide a net with the &quot;mutualists and uber-LLs&quot;, my apologies :) </p>
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To take an example, as I understand it, Carson&#039;s view (for example) is that vastly more productive assets would be owned individually in a free society than are today,
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<p>That&#039;s the understanding I have of Carson&#039;s POV, and it&#039;s an argument with which I&#039;m inclined to agree.  </p>
<p>Thanks again for stopping by!</p>
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		<title>By: Rad Geek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rad Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I have no idea whether this is enough to appease the communists, the mutualists, the uber-left libertarians.  I hope it would be, primarily because I&#8217;m simply not sold on the idea that individuals shouldn&#8217;t have the right to own and acquire productive assets, at least not on any moral grounds.&quot; 
 
Well, sure, but which anarchists are trying to sell that idea? Maybe some of the commies (although, remember, most anarcho-communists do believe in, or at least nod at a principle which declares, the right of individuals to withdraw from communist arrangements if they desire; the idea is usually that they imagine communist arrangements would be so obviously superior that nobody but a few lone weirdos would want to, and that even if those lone weirdos somehow amassed enough resources to build a factory under private proprietorship, that nobody would want to toil in it). But in any case, I certainly don&#039;t know of any mutualists or &quot;uber-left libertarians&quot; who think that individual people shouldn&#039;t have the right to own and acquire productive assets. If you do, I&#039;d like to hear some names and quotations. 
 
Of course, there is a separate question, as to what forms of organization and what levels of centralization of control over machinery and technology, would be most likely to flourish within a market freed from government privileges and increasingly distant from the shadow of past government subsidies. That question is interesting and important, but separate from the moral question of what individual people ought to have the right to do or not to do. For what it&#039;s worth, though, I think it would be absolutely wrong to claim that, on the &lt;em&gt;predictive&lt;/em&gt; (as opposed to the &lt;em&gt;normative&lt;/em&gt;) question, mutualists ad &quot;uber-left libertarians&quot; somehow imagine that there wouldn&#039;t be any individual ownership of capital in a freed market. Actually, the position is generally that individual ownership of capital would become much more widespread than it currently is, because forms of collective ownership that currently dominate the market (e.g. large centralized corporations) would be undermined by the collapse of state privilege. To take an example, as I understand it, Carson&#039;s view (for example) is that vastly more productive assets would be owned individually in a free society than are today, because he envisions that, absent government intervention in favor of large centralized operations, a much larger portion of production would be carried out within households and small family shops. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;I have no idea whether this is enough to appease the communists, the mutualists, the uber-left libertarians.  I hope it would be, primarily because I&rsquo;m simply not sold on the idea that individuals shouldn&rsquo;t have the right to own and acquire productive assets, at least not on any moral grounds.&quot;</p>
<p>Well, sure, but which anarchists are trying to sell that idea? Maybe some of the commies (although, remember, most anarcho-communists do believe in, or at least nod at a principle which declares, the right of individuals to withdraw from communist arrangements if they desire; the idea is usually that they imagine communist arrangements would be so obviously superior that nobody but a few lone weirdos would want to, and that even if those lone weirdos somehow amassed enough resources to build a factory under private proprietorship, that nobody would want to toil in it). But in any case, I certainly don&#039;t know of any mutualists or &quot;uber-left libertarians&quot; who think that individual people shouldn&#039;t have the right to own and acquire productive assets. If you do, I&#039;d like to hear some names and quotations.</p>
<p>Of course, there is a separate question, as to what forms of organization and what levels of centralization of control over machinery and technology, would be most likely to flourish within a market freed from government privileges and increasingly distant from the shadow of past government subsidies. That question is interesting and important, but separate from the moral question of what individual people ought to have the right to do or not to do. For what it&#039;s worth, though, I think it would be absolutely wrong to claim that, on the <em>predictive</em> (as opposed to the <em>normative</em>) question, mutualists ad &quot;uber-left libertarians&quot; somehow imagine that there wouldn&#039;t be any individual ownership of capital in a freed market. Actually, the position is generally that individual ownership of capital would become much more widespread than it currently is, because forms of collective ownership that currently dominate the market (e.g. large centralized corporations) would be undermined by the collapse of state privilege. To take an example, as I understand it, Carson&#039;s view (for example) is that vastly more productive assets would be owned individually in a free society than are today, because he envisions that, absent government intervention in favor of large centralized operations, a much larger portion of production would be carried out within households and small family shops.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest March 15, 2009</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was really interesting. I wish I had clearer thoughts on the nature and magnitude of the injustices indirectly created by Statism and how to properly correct them. For instance, what you mentioned in the first paragraph after the blockquote: all these companies that got rich because of the State-distorted monetary system and capital structure--should their debtors and employees just be able to take over, or renege on their loans?  
 
You probably saw this thread at Mises.org, started by Kinsella, about ACORN members squatting in their houses and Brad Spangler supporting them and who is &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; in the right and who is &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; in the wrong... &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.mises.org/archives/009531.asp&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://blog.mises.org/archives/009531.asp&lt;/a&gt; 
 
(You&#039;ll notice I put in my two cents rather early on, but they didn&#039;t seem to contribute much to the discussion; I thought they were pretty good, if extremely inconclusive, at the time...) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was really interesting. I wish I had clearer thoughts on the nature and magnitude of the injustices indirectly created by Statism and how to properly correct them. For instance, what you mentioned in the first paragraph after the blockquote: all these companies that got rich because of the State-distorted monetary system and capital structure&#8211;should their debtors and employees just be able to take over, or renege on their loans?  </p>
<p>You probably saw this thread at Mises.org, started by Kinsella, about ACORN members squatting in their houses and Brad Spangler supporting them and who is <i>more</i> in the right and who is <i>more</i> in the wrong&#8230; <a href="http://blog.mises.org/archives/009531.asp" target="_blank">http://blog.mises.org/archives/009531.asp</a> </p>
<p>(You&#039;ll notice I put in my two cents rather early on, but they didn&#039;t seem to contribute much to the discussion; I thought they were pretty good, if extremely inconclusive, at the time&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: nothirdsolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>nothirdsolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike! </description>
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		<title>By: Mike Gogulski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Gogulski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>100% agreement from this lone voice. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agreement from this lone voice. Great post.</p>
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