Comments on: Democracy is Not Liberty

By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:38:30 +0000

nobody has any idea what that means. thanks for wasting my time.

By: Gog & Magog

Gog & Magog — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:46:35 +0000

Zionist = Goyim – Humanism

By: Stewart Browne

Stewart Browne — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:20:51 +0000

The Somalia comment is an interesting one that is getting thrown at libertarians a lot these days. The notion of a stateless society is gaining enough traction out there to be threatening to some, and they've concocted a meme to fight it. What's noteworthy is that Somalia was the most violent, chaotic place in the world as the formal central governing arrangement broke into civil war. Somalia is evidence that anarchy cannot turn around an uncivilized society overnight. There must be movement both on the political front (away from central government) and within society at large (toward voluntary transactions). To some extent, a degree of barbarism in a culture is what allows large central democracy to form. The barbarism itself must be addressed in order for a stateless society to come about. If a libertarian political movement somehow tore down the state overnight in America, we might well have a bit of chaos as those who want a violent state try to find new ways to coerce others. But if the state is brought down because a critical mass of people have gotten into the web of voluntary transactions and desire to leave the state, those people would have no trouble forming a civilized society, because they were already doing so.

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Attack the System » Blog Archive » Updated News Digest August 30, 2009 — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:19:53 +0000

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By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:04:17 +0000

Thanks Don – you are a voice of reason!

By: Don

Don — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:51:41 +0000

There is no such thing as partly free, just as there is no partly pregnant or partly dead.

You are either free or enslaved.

Here in the US all of the citizenry has been enslaved since at least the early part of the 20th century.

The only reason people have the impression they are free is by way of extreme gov't inefficiency – they can't watch everybody all of the time.

But technology and tyranny are closing the gap quickly and soon it will be obvious to all but the comatose what its like to be a slave.

Unfortunately by then it will be too late.

History has shown tyranny can last for centuries.

They take your money, they tell you what you can and can't do, they control just about every faction of your life.

What is *free* about that?

I know, I know, "we're still the *freest* country on the planet and if I don't like it here I should move to China, for the children.

By: Don

Don — Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:45:16 +0000

How the hell do people get this way?

The police and the laws do not protect your property, at all and I have no idea why you think that.

There are police and laws throughout the US yet millions of pieces of property are stolen everyday, even by the police themselves.

If you want your property protected you must do it yourself or hire a security firm to do it for you for the jack booted thugs have been proven over and over again by the courts to have no responsibility for protecting you or your property.

The worst thing this gov't ever did was to hijack the public school system, for by rendering generations of people, like this specimen above, into complete non-thinking idiots has paved the way for all other gov't and societal ills.

By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:52:04 +0000

My impression, based on a lay understanding of the history of the African continent, is that the vast majority of the problems, from genocide to clan warfare to corrupt politicians stealing oil-for-food, can be principally traced back to British/Dutch imperialism. The power vacuum they left in their wake, or more specifically the prospect of international recognition/sanction for their criminal regimes, is what the warlords are fighting for. That said, "Somalia" is kind of a cheap shot. You wouldn't suggest I move to the desert in New Mexico, (and I wouldn't) so why should I be asked to move to a desert half the world away? And if you're curious about how Somalia compares to other abandoned empire-states like Somalia:

When extreme poverty (percentage of individuals living on less than PPP$1 a day) was last measured by the World Bank in 1998, Somalia fared better than many other countries in Africa, over some of whom Somalia also had superior infrastructure.

And further that:

that living standards have often improved "relative to other African countries since the collapse of the Somali central government

By: nothirdsolution

nothirdsolution — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:51:23 +0000

That said, "Somalia" is kind of a cheap shot. You wouldn't suggest I move to the desert in New Mexico, (and I wouldn't) so why should I be asked to move to a desert half the world away?

And if you're curious about how Somalia compares to other abandoned empire-states like Somalia:

When extreme poverty (percentage of individuals living on less than PPP$1 a day) was last measured by the World Bank in 1998, Somalia fared better than many other countries in Africa, over some of whom Somalia also had superior infrastructure.

And further that:

that living standards have often improved "relative to other African countries since the collapse of the Somali central government

By: The Man

The Man — Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:12:17 +0000

So move to Somalia. There's functionally no government there at all. Of course, protecting your property rights against thieves, gangs, and thugs is awfully hard without a police force or laws to even define where your property begins and ends.