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		<title>By: nothirdsolution</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2009/08/24/democracy-is-not-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-9177</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nobody has any idea what that means. thanks for wasting my time. </description>
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		<title>By: Gog &#38; Magog</title>
		<link>http://www.nothirdsolution.com/2009/08/24/democracy-is-not-liberty/comment-page-1/#comment-9171</link>
		<dc:creator>Gog &#38; Magog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zionist = Goyim - Humanism </description>
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		<title>By: Stewart Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stewart Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Somalia comment is an interesting one that is getting thrown at libertarians a lot these days.  The notion of a stateless society is gaining enough traction out there to be threatening to some, and they&#039;ve concocted a meme to fight it.  What&#039;s noteworthy is that Somalia was the most violent, chaotic place in the world as the formal central governing arrangement broke into civil war.  Somalia is evidence that anarchy cannot turn around an uncivilized society overnight.   There must be movement both on the political front (away from central government) and within society at large (toward voluntary transactions).  To some extent, a degree of barbarism in a culture is what allows large central democracy to form.  The barbarism itself must be addressed in order for a stateless society to come about.  If a libertarian political movement somehow tore down the state overnight in America, we might well have a bit of chaos as those who want a violent state try to find new ways to coerce others.  But if the state is brought down because a critical mass of people have gotten into the web of voluntary transactions and desire to leave the state, those people would have no trouble forming a civilized society, because they were already doing so. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Somalia comment is an interesting one that is getting thrown at libertarians a lot these days.  The notion of a stateless society is gaining enough traction out there to be threatening to some, and they&#039;ve concocted a meme to fight it.  What&#039;s noteworthy is that Somalia was the most violent, chaotic place in the world as the formal central governing arrangement broke into civil war.  Somalia is evidence that anarchy cannot turn around an uncivilized society overnight.   There must be movement both on the political front (away from central government) and within society at large (toward voluntary transactions).  To some extent, a degree of barbarism in a culture is what allows large central democracy to form.  The barbarism itself must be addressed in order for a stateless society to come about.  If a libertarian political movement somehow tore down the state overnight in America, we might well have a bit of chaos as those who want a violent state try to find new ways to coerce others.  But if the state is brought down because a critical mass of people have gotten into the web of voluntary transactions and desire to leave the state, those people would have no trouble forming a civilized society, because they were already doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest August 30, 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Attack the System &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Updated News Digest August 30, 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Democracy Is Not Liberty from No Third Solution [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nothirdsolution</title>
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		<dc:creator>nothirdsolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Don - you are a voice of reason! </description>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no such thing as partly free, just as there is no partly pregnant or partly dead. 
 
You are either free or enslaved. 
 
Here in the US all of the citizenry has been enslaved since at least the early part of the 20th century. 
 
The only reason people have the impression they are free is by way of extreme gov&#039;t inefficiency - they can&#039;t watch everybody all of the time. 
 
But technology and tyranny are closing the gap quickly and soon it will be obvious to all but the comatose what its like to be a slave. 
 
Unfortunately by then it will be too late. 
 
History has shown tyranny can last for centuries. 
 
They take your money, they tell you what you can and can&#039;t do, they control just about every faction of your life. 
 
What is *free* about that? 
 
I know, I know, &quot;we&#039;re still the *freest* country on the planet and if I don&#039;t like it here I should move to China, for the children. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no such thing as partly free, just as there is no partly pregnant or partly dead. </p>
<p>You are either free or enslaved. </p>
<p>Here in the US all of the citizenry has been enslaved since at least the early part of the 20th century. </p>
<p>The only reason people have the impression they are free is by way of extreme gov&#039;t inefficiency &#8211; they can&#039;t watch everybody all of the time. </p>
<p>But technology and tyranny are closing the gap quickly and soon it will be obvious to all but the comatose what its like to be a slave. </p>
<p>Unfortunately by then it will be too late. </p>
<p>History has shown tyranny can last for centuries. </p>
<p>They take your money, they tell you what you can and can&#039;t do, they control just about every faction of your life. </p>
<p>What is *free* about that? </p>
<p>I know, I know, &quot;we&#039;re still the *freest* country on the planet and if I don&#039;t like it here I should move to China, for the children.</p>
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