To extrapolate from a sample size of exactly one (who has, if I’m not mistaken, previously defended such absurdities as “slavery contracts”), a singular, authoritative “anarcho-capitalist” ethos[1], is the apex of ridiculousity. With that out of the way, François Tremblay is tilting at strawmen again. Quoting Block, Tremblay takes issue[2] with:
Another type of pinching or sexual harassment is that between a secretary and her boss. Although to many people, and especially to many people in the women’s liberation movement, there is no real difference between this pinching and the pinching that occurs on the street, the fact is that the pinching that takes place between a secretary and her boss, while objectionable to many women, is not a coercive action. It is not a coercive action like the pinching that takes place in the public sphere because it is part of a package deal: the secretary agrees to all aspects of the job when she agrees to accept the job and especially when she agrees to keep the job.
Specifically, Tremblay charges:
Once you accept that much degree of control over other people’s actions, then you can justify any degree of control. “Anarcho”-capitalists will complain that Block’s ravings are not indicative of their beliefs, but they will remain utterly unable to explain why he’s wrong without contradicting their own beliefs
Block’s argument is so stupid that I feel dirty just knowing that some readers might interpret this as a positive defense of his argument. I do not[3]. To the extent that Block believes an ambiguous employment agreement grants the employer unlimited license to molest his employees, absolutely he is a raving ass. This does not mean that the entire corpus of “anarcho-capitalist” ethics is wrong, only that maybe this particular belief is wrong, or does not follow, or is improperly framed, etc. A reappraisal:
Either the secretary agreed to the circumstances explicitly set forth by the terms of whatever agreement she reached with her employer, or she did not.
If you know your neighbor has a rule, that any visitor to his house is obligated to wear the “funny hat“, you can’t barge in to his kitchen and refuse to wear the “funny hat”. You either wear it, or you befriend someone else. If she does not agree to the terms ex ante, having been fully informed, then she ought not take the job in the first place.
If she did not agree to be sexually harassed because these terms were not presented to her, then there was no meeting of the minds, and on general principles of law and reason, the uninvited and unwelcome intrusion into her personal space—indeed her being—is in-fact coercive, and worthy of derision. Ergo, Block is an ass, and wrong to-boot.
If she did agree (in which case it’s not harassment), and later decides she is no longer satisfied with the arrangements, then no the employer is guilty of no specific wrongdoing, and yes she ought to leave. Further, her withdrawal of consent may not be construed as breach of contract since such interpretation essentially permits unlimited license over another (i.e., “slavery contracts”).
Does it boil down to “property” at some level? Kind of, but not really. At least not entirely, as Tremblay presumes. “Property” is not the whole story, nor is it even a crucial determinant in evaluating this scenario. Block is wrong, not because of his belief in property rights, but because an argument resting solely on this premise is as stupid as a football bat.
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- I do not consider myself an anarcho-capitalist
- Walter Block is wrong
- Comments suggesting that I support such a stupid argument will be redacted or deleted at my discretion
I can't believe I ever liked your blog…
Your answer is just more of the voluntaryist throw-up dealt by Block, Kinsella and all the other whackjobs like you, with a slight disagreement on what is or is not voluntary. I will deal with you immoral nonsense soon enough.
No need to put this URL in my comments… I will devote an entire entry to it soon, because that kind of vulgar throw-up is just too pretty not to frame.
Even if one accepted Block’s argument (which I don’t), the “love it or leave it” comparison fails. The reason “love it or leave it” state-wise is wrong, is that there are coercive barriers regarding exit, and one does not have the option not to participate. Neither of these would apply.
Something tells me Block would agree with your re-appraisal of his argument. It seems very Block-ish.
I wrote those words about secretary pinching in error; they appeared, only, in the very first edition of Defending. When they were brought to my attention as the idiocy they were, I immediately removed them from subequent editions ot this book. I am at a complete loss as to how I came to write these words in the first place. Certainly, they are incompatible with the libertarianism I espouse. I have been apologizing for these words ever since, and take this opportunity to do so once again. Walter Block
Thanks for the comment & clarification, Walter!
Walter I would be far more interested to hear how the argument you've made in this quote does not naturally follow from your principles of Private Property and voluntary contracts.
HAHAHA DAVID! Now you're pretending to be Walter Block?? That's rich!
{Sigh}
That is indeed Walter Block. I forwarded this in an email to his Loyola College address and he responded to me personally and here.
Still, Mr. Block supports such niceties as slave contracts in the name of freedom ?
If you go to walterblock.com and hit the Contact link at the top, he gives his email address that you could use to ask him. ^_^.
Didn't Rothbard, who is considered the definer and the representative of all things anarcho-capitalist, specifically refute the legitimacy of any type of slave contract? I think this was in The Ethics of Liberty or For a New Liberty, maybe…
Indeed. But it seems that Block and/or some of his followers have improved libertarianism quite a bit by introducing 'voluntary' slavery and the idea that any amount of force can be used when defending property so that's legitimate to kill a kid who steals a candy. Yeah, Rothbard didn't agree with that either…
The argument from Property you've made has been refuted in Bowers of Paradise as far as I can see. I think I'll make a post about it as well so I can point out why the argument from property and NAP doesn't resolve the issue.
Not particularly. What if the office in which the secretary chooses to work, which happens to be collectively managed by workers (rather than a "boss") consists of mainly chauvinists? (You can say that such an office wouldn't happen in a free market, and I believe this to be true, but now we're splitting hairs!)
The same appeal holds: she would simply choose not to work in such conditions, where the management (whether it is collective or authoritarian) would be likely to violate her in any way. That's why I say it's not really an argument from property, it's got more to do with the social relations between individuals.
Your argument is basically a tu-quoque which assumes a similar unequal society as one that would exist in free market capitalism. However libsocs strive for an *egalitarian* society. In such a society a secretary would indeed have other options that sticking with the chauvinists.
Actually that's a bigger point than you think, as I consider that a society under which such an example is possible is flawed and will need to be looking at how to make this not be the case. Libertarian Socialism is in fact built to abolish sexism and racism at the same time it abolishes wage-slavery. In short, all forms of domination
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Just letting you know, Francois replied to you.
http://francoistremblay.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/…
Thanks. I left a comment in response, at his place.
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