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		<title>By: Dan Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my current job I work with the dregs of society for a large portion of it, the majority of the ones I deal with on a daily basis are on medicaid and a slew of other government programs, collecting unemployment, bogus disability etc but sure as shit if I call the TV is on cable Im sure and when I call their cell phone numbers they have ring backs etc.  These people afford all that shit, plus new shoes more often than not etc, brand name clothes but cant afford the necesseties if you see insurance to be one.  Not sure what my point is here, mainly that this crisis is one of peoples own making for a large part of it I guess...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my current job I work with the dregs of society for a large portion of it, the majority of the ones I deal with on a daily basis are on medicaid and a slew of other government programs, collecting unemployment, bogus disability etc but sure as shit if I call the TV is on cable Im sure and when I call their cell phone numbers they have ring backs etc.  These people afford all that shit, plus new shoes more often than not etc, brand name clothes but cant afford the necesseties if you see insurance to be one.  Not sure what my point is here, mainly that this crisis is one of peoples own making for a large part of it I guess&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. It&#039;s also important to interject the ethical side of the argument and repudiate the morality of need at its root. No man has a moral claim upon my life. A person&#039;s need is not a claim upon my mind, body, or property and I am not obligated (outside of a voluntary association eg., a fiduciary contract) to serve the needs, concerns, wishes, and wants of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. It&#8217;s also important to interject the ethical side of the argument and repudiate the morality of need at its root. No man has a moral claim upon my life. A person&#8217;s need is not a claim upon my mind, body, or property and I am not obligated (outside of a voluntary association eg., a fiduciary contract) to serve the needs, concerns, wishes, and wants of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing out that it&#039;s &quot;not insurance, it&#039;s welfare.&quot; I wrote a 1000 word letter to my &quot;Public Policy Economics&quot; professor last year explaining why unemployment insurance (as it is now anyway) is not insurance, but rather welfare. Needless to say, she wouldn&#039;t budge. If there&#039;s no risk hedging, there&#039;s no insurance. Plain and simple. I don&#039;t even care about the welfare that much when Orwellian doublespeak is just mind numbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing out that it&#8217;s &#8220;not insurance, it&#8217;s welfare.&#8221; I wrote a 1000 word letter to my &#8220;Public Policy Economics&#8221; professor last year explaining why unemployment insurance (as it is now anyway) is not insurance, but rather welfare. Needless to say, she wouldn&#8217;t budge. If there&#8217;s no risk hedging, there&#8217;s no insurance. Plain and simple. I don&#8217;t even care about the welfare that much when Orwellian doublespeak is just mind numbing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brad, if you can afford it and find value in insurance I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with are the crybabies that go running to the emergency room when their brat has a bloody nose and expect others to pick up the tab.

I shot a 16d nail between my ring and little finger last summer and have a knee that comes out of joint sometimes, necessitating I pop it back in joint, from an 800 ft parachute fall back in 1975. I do dangerous stuff too but never felt the need to pay for insurance. I guess I&#039;m just oldskool.

Back in 1992 our son was diagnosed with scoliosis and the Drs. told us to hook up with the Shriners who will pick up the tab for the $90k operation to route out both sides of his spine and install steel rods. No way. We found a Dr in Louisiana that could fix him without surgery but the Shriners wouldn&#039;t go for that and we had to pay the $40k cost from our own pocket. We didn&#039;t whine and we didn&#039;t beg. We circled our wagons, cinched our belts up a notch and paid the thing off in 2 years. We did the same thing 5 years prior when our son needed $3k worth of dental work. Thats how grown ups act and serve as direction for their children on how responsible people live.

We now live in a world full of children of all ages.
And the politicians act like the drunken step fathers.

BTW: When I was single and used to fly internationally I&#039;d buy that $500k policy from the American Express kiosk in the airport, assuring the plane wouldn&#039;t crash and make my mother rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brad, if you can afford it and find value in insurance I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with are the crybabies that go running to the emergency room when their brat has a bloody nose and expect others to pick up the tab.</p>
<p>I shot a 16d nail between my ring and little finger last summer and have a knee that comes out of joint sometimes, necessitating I pop it back in joint, from an 800 ft parachute fall back in 1975. I do dangerous stuff too but never felt the need to pay for insurance. I guess I&#8217;m just oldskool.</p>
<p>Back in 1992 our son was diagnosed with scoliosis and the Drs. told us to hook up with the Shriners who will pick up the tab for the $90k operation to route out both sides of his spine and install steel rods. No way. We found a Dr in Louisiana that could fix him without surgery but the Shriners wouldn&#8217;t go for that and we had to pay the $40k cost from our own pocket. We didn&#8217;t whine and we didn&#8217;t beg. We circled our wagons, cinched our belts up a notch and paid the thing off in 2 years. We did the same thing 5 years prior when our son needed $3k worth of dental work. Thats how grown ups act and serve as direction for their children on how responsible people live.</p>
<p>We now live in a world full of children of all ages.<br />
And the politicians act like the drunken step fathers.</p>
<p>BTW: When I was single and used to fly internationally I&#8217;d buy that $500k policy from the American Express kiosk in the airport, assuring the plane wouldn&#8217;t crash and make my mother rich.</p>
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		<title>By: David Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brad - no, using &quot;reform&quot; in the context you used it, and directed at the broader (non-libertarian) audience, I think is fine, because you were asking the Dems/Rep why we need (their particular brand of ) health &quot;reform&quot;. It&#039;s a valid question especially directed to that audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brad &#8211; no, using &#8220;reform&#8221; in the context you used it, and directed at the broader (non-libertarian) audience, I think is fine, because you were asking the Dems/Rep why we need (their particular brand of ) health &#8220;reform&#8221;. It&#8217;s a valid question especially directed to that audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny how the other daily things I put up on my FB never get any comments until the health care one went up. 

@ Don - The policy I bought is a little more than catastrophic so it covers me in case of emergency. Dave and I go skiing out west every year in some wicked terrain. So its merely to protect myself in case I make a wrong turn and fall off a 30 foot cliff and wreck myself. Another reason is because I saw my buddy get bitten by a Copperhead Snake this year and the ambulance alone was $500. On a day to day basis I don&#039;t need more than that. I&#039;m actually thinking about getting the one under that and just paying for Dr. visits.

Dave - I guess I needed to use a different word then reform. I&#039;m still learning how all of this stuff is connected. I&#039;m no expert but at least I&#039;m willing to learn unlike my Uncle who flat out told me to F off when I told him to read just one of the books I&#039;ve read which makes me think how I do now. Like you said, if you refuse to recognize the problem then I can&#039;t talk to you. It becomes a &quot;your too young to understand&quot; thing where basically he throws up on my FB page without any solutions to the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how the other daily things I put up on my FB never get any comments until the health care one went up. </p>
<p>@ Don &#8211; The policy I bought is a little more than catastrophic so it covers me in case of emergency. Dave and I go skiing out west every year in some wicked terrain. So its merely to protect myself in case I make a wrong turn and fall off a 30 foot cliff and wreck myself. Another reason is because I saw my buddy get bitten by a Copperhead Snake this year and the ambulance alone was $500. On a day to day basis I don&#8217;t need more than that. I&#8217;m actually thinking about getting the one under that and just paying for Dr. visits.</p>
<p>Dave &#8211; I guess I needed to use a different word then reform. I&#8217;m still learning how all of this stuff is connected. I&#8217;m no expert but at least I&#8217;m willing to learn unlike my Uncle who flat out told me to F off when I told him to read just one of the books I&#8217;ve read which makes me think how I do now. Like you said, if you refuse to recognize the problem then I can&#8217;t talk to you. It becomes a &#8220;your too young to understand&#8221; thing where basically he throws up on my FB page without any solutions to the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, the gov&#039;t has messed up the nomenclature to where nobody knows what they are talking about and all sorts of assumptions are being made and very little in the way of fact.

Second, why in the world would anybody pay $80 a month for something like that? Seems like all this *health* related stuff has become majorly stylish over the past 20 years or so and everybody wants to be on the catwalk.

My parents never had insurance on themselves or any of us 5 kids, I have never had insurance on myself or my son, who is now 30, and never figured out the reason for it.

Was looking over this thing yesterday http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/health_insurance/9189/adultbasic_benefit_chanages/646477 and came to the conclusion that most of the stuff I consider routine self-maintenance a lot of other people have been trained to believe is a necessary thing to hire other people to do or have been brainwashed into thinking they need to have it done by somebody. A yearly physical exam? Come on. Who has the time or money for such silliness? I&#039;m 55 and haven&#039;t had one since I left the army in 1978. 

I&#039;ve got all kinds of working solutions for all this &quot;health care&quot; nonsense but I won&#039;t litter this blog with stuff that every grown up should already be aware of concerning self maintenance issues.

Suffice to say, the Rule of 8 applies here, when the gov&#039;t gets involved the costs skyrocket and quality plummets, just like it always does and herd members are delusional idiots.

And please, spare me the *what if* situations.

Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, the gov&#8217;t has messed up the nomenclature to where nobody knows what they are talking about and all sorts of assumptions are being made and very little in the way of fact.</p>
<p>Second, why in the world would anybody pay $80 a month for something like that? Seems like all this *health* related stuff has become majorly stylish over the past 20 years or so and everybody wants to be on the catwalk.</p>
<p>My parents never had insurance on themselves or any of us 5 kids, I have never had insurance on myself or my son, who is now 30, and never figured out the reason for it.</p>
<p>Was looking over this thing yesterday <a href="http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/health_insurance/9189/adultbasic_benefit_chanages/646477" rel="nofollow">http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/health_insurance/9189/adultbasic_benefit_chanages/646477</a> and came to the conclusion that most of the stuff I consider routine self-maintenance a lot of other people have been trained to believe is a necessary thing to hire other people to do or have been brainwashed into thinking they need to have it done by somebody. A yearly physical exam? Come on. Who has the time or money for such silliness? I&#8217;m 55 and haven&#8217;t had one since I left the army in 1978. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got all kinds of working solutions for all this &#8220;health care&#8221; nonsense but I won&#8217;t litter this blog with stuff that every grown up should already be aware of concerning self maintenance issues.</p>
<p>Suffice to say, the Rule of 8 applies here, when the gov&#8217;t gets involved the costs skyrocket and quality plummets, just like it always does and herd members are delusional idiots.</p>
<p>And please, spare me the *what if* situations.</p>
<p>Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die&#8230;..</p>
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